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Offsite and Onsite Overheads

how to charge for offsite & onsite overheads

Everyone knows a house is made of bricks and sticks and labour… in round figures. But when you are pricing that house, there are other things that need to be factored into the equation.

There is a cost attributed to EVERYTHING. Every single time you answer a call from a client, the phone you are making the call on, the shirt you are wearing while you make the call, the ute you are sitting in while you are in the shirt making the call. How the call came to you in the first place…. I could go on all day long. So how do you cover all of these intangibles?

Basically, they fit into two different categories.

Offsite overheads, and onsite overheads (commonly referred to as Preliminary & General, or P&G).

To figure out what fits into each category, you need to understand the definition each term has.

Onsite overheads – costs that exist because the job you are charging them to exist.

Offsite overheads – costs that directly relate to running your business.

To break it down further, here are some things that would be considered Onsite Overheads;

  • Cartage
  • Health and Safety
  • Access equipment hire
  • Signage
  • Site supervision
  • Site set out
  • Job administration
  • Asbestos testing
  • Site security
  • Portaloo
  • Tool and plant hire

The list goes on, and to see a more definitive list the NZS4202 has a whole section at the front of it. I have a copy, if you want it you will have to email me!

Now for offsite overheads, remember, these are related to running your business;

  • Marketing
  • Yard lease
  • Entertainment
  • Office administration
  • Accounting
  • Legal fees
  • Company uniforms
  • Stationery and printing
  • Computers and IT
  • Power/Internet/Phone

I can pretty much hear you from here, what about things that sit in both camps you say? Good question. There are a few things that could effectively fit in both onsite and offsite overheads list.

One of my favourites (oddly enough!) is Quantity Surveying.

This comes in a couple of parts. There is the cost of initial pricing (irrelevant of who does it, including you. Nothing is free!!!). There is the cost of initial pricing that you win, and also the cost of pricing jobs that you lose. Both MUST be factored into your jobs.

For a few reasons, my preference on how to manage adding in for QSing is to look at it like this;

I am sure that roughly you know how many jobs a year you win, and how many you lose. Right there is your calculation of your conversion rate.
If you quote in total say, 10 jobs a year, and if your average QS fee for a job is say, $3k, then your total investment per year for pricing jobs is $30k.
Now, if you know you convert say, 20% of the jobs that you win, then the amount of the ‘costing budget’ you would attribute to jobs is $6k, and the remaining $24k needs to be included in your offsite overheads budget.

So how does that look?

My suggestion is that every job you price has your QS fees in the Onsite Overheads trade. That way if they accept, you recoup it. Insite overheads are itemized costs.
The remaining $24k is calculated alongside the rest of your Offsite Overheads in your margin. This margin is applied to EVERY job, won or lost and it is defined by your accountant as a percentage of your overall turnover. The definition of MARGIN is Offsite Overheads % + Profit %.

If you want to know more, keep reading these blogs!!!

is QS'ing onsite or offsite?

I can pretty much hear you from here, what about things that sit in both camps you say? Good question. There are a few things that could effectively fit in both onsite and offsite overheads list.

One of my favourites (oddly enough!) is Quantity Surveying.

This comes in a couple of parts. There is the cost of initial pricing (irrelevant of who does it, including you. Nothing is free!!!). There is the cost of initial pricing that you win, and also the cost of pricing jobs that you lose. Both MUST be factored into your jobs.

For a few reasons, my preference on how to manage adding in for QSing is to look at it like this;

I am sure that roughly you know how many jobs a year you win, and how many you lose. Right there is your calculation of your conversion rate.
If you quote in total say, 10 jobs a year, and if your average QS fee for a job is say, $3k, then your total investment per year for pricing jobs is $30k.
Now, if you know you convert say, 20% of the jobs that you win, then the amount of the ‘costing budget’ you would attribute to jobs is $6k, and the remaining $24k needs to be included in your offsite overheads budget.

So how does that look?

My suggestion is that every job you price has your QS fees in the Onsite Overheads trade. That way if they accept, you recoup it. Insite overheads are itemized costs.
The remaining $24k is calculated alongside the rest of your Offsite Overheads in your margin. This margin is applied to EVERY job, won or lost and it is defined by your accountant as a percentage of your overall turnover. The definition of MARGIN is Offsite Overheads % + Profit %.

If you want to know more, keep reading these blogs!!!

will kenndey builder - qs testimonialWill Kennedy of Kennedy Bros - Riverton, had this to say about RedQS "The massive benefit to using RedQS is there are no unknowns. For us as builders, it is an independent service that helps the clients understand the value of the home."

Like an acid test to see if the homeowner is genuine or not, Will added this "A lot of clients don’t realise how expensive it is to build, even to the minimum standards. People are surprised when we get the full QS report and it gives them a good reality check. If a client isn’t willing to pay two thousand dollars for a QS report, then they won’t be willing to pay for a $390,000 house."

Chris Donnelly Builders _ Renovate New Builds_Nelson_red quantity surveyNelson based builder Chris Donnelly says "Previously I thought cost was an obstacle to using RedQS, but that was because I didn’t understand how to allow for it in my offsite overheads. I also didn’t know previously that there are different services, like materials only, labour only or peer checking of my own pricing, not just the full take off services."

The without prompting he added "I have already been recommending RedQS all over the place!"

Good on ya mate!

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